
This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," July 14, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
Stephen Broden, senior pastor at Fair Park Bible Fellowship in Dallas.
GLENN BECK, HOST: OK, here is my challenge, America, and I started this last night. And I want to bring in Stephen Broden. He is a senior pastor at Fair Park Bible Fellowship in Dallas. He is also running for Congress in Texas.
I don't want to talk to you about politics. I want to talk to you about the pulpit and the role that pulpit has played in every great period from the pilgrims to Martin Luther King. Every great period there was an enlightenment, there was an awakening. And it was the spiritual side of America that woke up and took the bull by the horns.
What should pastors -- and America listen to this, because you have to ask can your pastor to get off his butt if he is not doing it right now and make a choice, because there is one choice to make: You are either with the radicals and Saul Alinsky and the collective redemption, or you're with the Founders and their understanding of human, individual rights, right?
PASTOR STEPHEN BRODEN, FAIR PARK BIBLE FELLOWSHIP: Absolutely.
When you talk about the Founders, you cannot detach them from the Judeo-Christian ethic that under-girds everything that has made America great. And when you say Judeo-Christian ethic, you're talking about the Bible.
And so pastors need to recast, in the minds of their congregation, that this nation was founded on principles that are sourced within the word of God. When you talk about liberty, you cannot escape liberty given to every man, because we're made in image of God.
When they -- the Founders -- said in the Declaration of Independence, "We hold the truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator," they were saying that our liberties, our freedoms are sourced in the divine. And that needs to be recast again in America in the church.
BECK: See, they are already -- they are already saying this. There is new -- I love this. Where is it? The eco-theology. They're already talking about eco-theology in religions. Here is one, "Reverend Wallis calls for the new financial reform bill."
Here is one, "Houston's clergy unites to urge support for immigration reform." You're getting these things into the press. And they are telling their congregation, "You must vote for social justice."
And social justice can be blurry, because social justice, if you understand it as God saying, "Hey, you've got to help serve," that's OK. But social justice the way it's intended by Rev. Wallis, et cetera, et cetera, is not. It is, give that power to the government and they will redistribute and they will provide collective salvation, right?
BRODEN: Oh absolutely. Yes. That's -- collective salvation is an idea that is foreign to salvation as it is presented in a theological frame within the scriptures. We know that Paul tells us, "Work out your own soul's salvation with fear and trembling. "Your own" meaning it is my responsibility, my obligation to enact and appropriate and exercise biblical principles in my life because I will ultimately stand before God and give an account.
BECK: So explain --
BRODEN: Individually.
BECK: Explain how the president can talk about -- explain away the president saying, "My salvation is linked. My salvation will not happen unless there is collective salvation."
BRODEN: I think that is a perversion of the gospel. I think that does not represent a biblical idea. That collectivism is more sourced in Karl Marx and Engels and Lenin. That is a communistic, socialistic idea which, by the way, is the antithesis of what we get in scripture.
It is a godless system that is founded in a godless idea and it cannot mix with the bible. There is an unholy mixture going on here. And I don't think it's by accident. It's by design.
BECK: OK, America. I'm going to ask the pastor to be very specific on what you need to go ask your pastor to do and ask him what he believes.
And we're not talking about politics here. We're talking about principles, principles that founded this country.
Back in just a second.
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WATCH: Glenn Beck's Challenge
From Fox News' "Glenn Beck", July 14, 2010
Glenn Beck's Challenge with guest Pastor Stephen Broden
Ask your pastor/priest/etc in which they believe: Individual or Collective Salvation?
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